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Re: Spice Girls Singles/Albums UK Sales: Group & Solo

Postby The Spice Girls » 16 Mar 2017, 21:07

What gave it such a boost?! Couldn't be Geri's doco, they even didn't play it there?!
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Postby tommie » 16 Mar 2017, 21:39

The Spice Girls wrote:What gave it such a boost?! Couldn't be Geri's doco, they even didn't play it there?!


It's appeared on quite a few Spotify playlists during the past few months.
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Postby Jay » 20 Mar 2017, 17:11

A few updated sales were revealed on VH1 yesterday. :D The figures include streaming.

910,000 - Spice Up Your Life
900,000 - Goodbye
730,000 - Mama/Who Do You Think You Are
700,000 - Viva Forever
690,000 - Too Much

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Postby sammy01 » 20 Mar 2017, 17:26

We are destined to never get a proper updated sales/streaming sales for SYBT :cry:
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Postby Official Spiceworld » 20 Mar 2017, 17:30

Jay wrote:A few updated sales were revealed on VH1 yesterday. :D The figures include streaming.

910,000 - Spice Up Your Life
900,000 - Goodbye
730,000 - Mama/Who Do You Think You Are
700,000 - Viva Forever
690,000 - Too Much

http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.ph ... pic=199078


OMG my heart just sank when I saw this cos I got so excited.

Are these real and confirmed. Amazing I could cry :cry: :dee: :dee: :dee:
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Postby Jay » 20 Mar 2017, 17:40

sammy01 wrote:We are destined to never get a proper updated sales/streaming sales for SYBT :cry:

I know right, so typical for it to be constricted to 1997 to present! :( What I'd give to see a Top 100 list of girl group hits from the past 25 years! I guess everything bar Headlines would make it into that list.

Official Spiceworld wrote:OMG my heart just sank when I saw this cos I got so excited.

Are these real and confirmed. Amazing I could cry :cry: :dee: :dee: :dee:

Yes I should think so! Shows of this kind have the data supplied to them by the Official Charts Company!

It airs again tomorrow on VH1 at 6pm if anyone would like to watch it:

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Postby sammy01 » 20 Mar 2017, 17:43

I think it is pretty safe to assume with streaming sales SYBT is over the million mark now
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Postby Jay » 20 Mar 2017, 18:04

^ I agree, I'd certainly be surprised if it hasn't done it by now! It's annoying that the 20th anniversary of the single didn't prompt OCC to reveal a full figure. :x

So now we know that 'Spice Up Your Life' has recently overtaken 'Goodbye overall, and is now their 4th best seller. :D We also now know for certain that Viva Forever is ahead of Too Much.
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Postby The Spice Girls » 20 Mar 2017, 18:28

Jay wrote:What I'd give to see a Top 100 list of girl group hits from the past 25 years! I guess everything bar Headlines would make it into that list.

C'mon, there are not too many girl groups around and certainly not ones who sold lots in U.K., I think even 'Headlines' would make a bestselling 100 girlband hits;)

Btw, I had no idea VH1 still exists, I thought the channel was erased few years ago! Good to hear though!
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Postby PeruvianSpice » 20 Mar 2017, 19:56

Jay wrote:A few updated sales were revealed on VH1 yesterday. :D The figures include streaming.

910,000 - Spice Up Your Life
900,000 - Goodbye
730,000 - Mama/Who Do You Think You Are
700,000 - Viva Forever
690,000 - Too Much

http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.ph ... pic=199078


Streaming is also YouTube? Cause you don't pay for YouTube so it's not a sell per se, or what are the sources?

But anyway, those are great figures!! SYBT deffo must be above 1 million and WOW at "Spice Up Your Life" and "Goodbye"... I'm happily surprised...

Could u do a comparisson of how much they sold prior to this update (maybe up to 2007) and then with this numbers? To see how much they've increased
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Postby OnYourRadar » 20 Mar 2017, 20:24

Spice Up Your Life has had a second lease of life since August 2012! Awesome to see it over the 900,000 mark
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Postby Stas » 20 Mar 2017, 20:34

PeruvianSpice wrote:
Jay wrote:A few updated sales were revealed on VH1 yesterday. :D The figures include streaming.

910,000 - Spice Up Your Life
900,000 - Goodbye
730,000 - Mama/Who Do You Think You Are
700,000 - Viva Forever
690,000 - Too Much

http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.ph ... pic=199078


Streaming is also YouTube? Cause you don't pay for YouTube so it's not a sell per se, or what are the sources?

But anyway, those are great figures!! SYBT deffo must be above 1 million and WOW at "Spice Up Your Life" and "Goodbye"... I'm happily surprised...

Could u do a comparisson of how much they sold prior to this update (maybe up to 2007) and then with this numbers? To see how much they've increased


If I am not mistaken, Youtube views are being counted towards the US chart, Billboard, (no wonder it's full of awful songs these days), but nowhere else in the world.
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Postby PeruvianSpice » 20 Mar 2017, 21:23

Stas wrote:
PeruvianSpice wrote:
Jay wrote:A few updated sales were revealed on VH1 yesterday. :D The figures include streaming.

910,000 - Spice Up Your Life
900,000 - Goodbye
730,000 - Mama/Who Do You Think You Are
700,000 - Viva Forever
690,000 - Too Much

http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.ph ... pic=199078


Streaming is also YouTube? Cause you don't pay for YouTube so it's not a sell per se, or what are the sources?

But anyway, those are great figures!! SYBT deffo must be above 1 million and WOW at "Spice Up Your Life" and "Goodbye"... I'm happily surprised...

Could u do a comparisson of how much they sold prior to this update (maybe up to 2007) and then with this numbers? To see how much they've increased


If I am not mistaken, Youtube views are being counted towards the US chart, Billboard, (no wonder it's full of awful songs these days), but nowhere else in the world.


Thanks! That would make a Little more sense since, I think, you pay for Spotify (whicch is one of the the platformes used to count streaming?)

Still, it's not a sale per se, but I like that counting that, you have higher numbers :D
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Postby The Spice Girls » 20 Mar 2017, 23:54

PeruvianSpice wrote:
Stas wrote:
PeruvianSpice wrote:
Jay wrote:A few updated sales were revealed on VH1 yesterday. :D The figures include streaming.

910,000 - Spice Up Your Life
900,000 - Goodbye
730,000 - Mama/Who Do You Think You Are
700,000 - Viva Forever
690,000 - Too Much

http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.ph ... pic=199078


Streaming is also YouTube? Cause you don't pay for YouTube so it's not a sell per se, or what are the sources?

But anyway, those are great figures!! SYBT deffo must be above 1 million and WOW at "Spice Up Your Life" and "Goodbye"... I'm happily surprised...

Could u do a comparisson of how much they sold prior to this update (maybe up to 2007) and then with this numbers? To see how much they've increased


If I am not mistaken, Youtube views are being counted towards the US chart, Billboard, (no wonder it's full of awful songs these days), but nowhere else in the world.


Thanks! That would make a Little more sense since, I think, you pay for Spotify (whicch is one of the the platformes used to count streaming?)

Still, it's not a sale per se, but I like that counting that, you have higher numbers :D


Nah, maybe YOU pay, I don't. I don't mind those adverts from time to time and got a free account and listen to SG and it still counts;)
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Postby RobKelly666 » 21 Mar 2017, 00:03

I always imagined Viva Forever selling more than that don't know why
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Postby The Spice Girls » 21 Mar 2017, 00:05

RobKelly666 wrote:I always imagined Viva Forever selling more than that don't know why

Me too, it was such a smash and the fact that Geri left and everyone was heartbroken, I'd thought it was a million seller long time back!
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Postby Jay » 21 Mar 2017, 00:24

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Jay wrote:What I'd give to see a Top 100 list of girl group hits from the past 25 years! I guess everything bar Headlines would make it into that list.

C'mon, there are not too many girl groups around and certainly not ones who sold lots in U.K., I think even 'Headlines' would make a bestselling 100 girlband hits;)

I think you'd potentially be surprised by how many girl group singles have sold at least 50k+ here :p Even if we just go from 1997 to present day, there's:

22 Girls Aloud singles that have sold 50k+
22 (at least) Sugababes singles
16 The Saturdays singles
16 Little Mix singles
11 Atomic Kitten singles
9 All Saints singles
7 Spice Girls singles (from Mama/WDYTYA to Holler)

... that's already 103! That's before considering Destiny's Child, The Pussycat Dolls, B*Witched, Fifth Harmony and some big hits from girl groups who didn't sustain long careers. It certainly adds up! In conclusion, 'Headlines' definitely wouldn't be Top 100 unfortunately... but most likely within the Top 200.
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Postby The Spice Girls » 21 Mar 2017, 00:58

/\ OMG, 16 Little Mix singles?! And I just found out about them with Black Magic (is that even the title?!). Lol.
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Postby Jay » 21 Mar 2017, 02:12

PeruvianSpice wrote:Could u do a comparisson of how much they sold prior to this update (maybe up to 2007) and then with this numbers? To see how much they've increased


I'm not sure if there's much data for up to 2007 but I've happened to stumble upon the fact that 'Spice Up Your Life' was on 817,435 on 18th November 2007! It's on 910,000 now (including streaming data) so that's a very nice increase for it! It was on 830,854 in June 2009 and 850,434 in August 2012. So an increase of 60,000 in just under 5 years.

Here's the leap in sales from what some of their singles were on by the end of the 90s decade, compared to the totals they're on now:

915,000 to 961,000 (= +46,000) - Say You'll Be There [not including streams]
1,070,000 to 1,140,000 (= +70,000) - 2 Become 1 [not including streams]
660,000 to 730,000 (= +70,000) - Mama/Who Do You Think You Are [inc. streaming units]
805,000 to 910,000 (= +105,000) - Spice Up Your Life [inc. streaming units]
655,000 to 690,000 (= +35,000) - Too Much [inc. streaming units]
331,000 to 420,200 (= +89,200) - Stop [inc. streaming units]
625,000 to 700,000 (= +75,000) - Viva Forever [inc. streaming units]
835,000 to 900,000 (= +65,000) - Goodbye [inc. streaming units]

Holler/Let Love Lead The Way was released in 2000, by the end of that year it was on 212,000; that was only a little over 2 months of sales. The increase to 260,000 by 2015 means it sold 48,000 from 2001 to 2015.

Wannabe is a rather tricky one to compare, for reasons which are really complicated to explain. I'll attempt it, lol. :') [Argh I ended up writing so much, I'll forgive people for not reading this post lol :p ]

In about 2007, Official Charts Company decided that the total sales data they had for singles released in 1994, 1995 and 1996 had been overestimated. Back in 94-96, chart sales were worked out based on data provided to them by record stores... but in '94 only 75% of stores could transmit this data. Therefore OCC used a formula based on this sample size, to work out how much singles might have sold across every store including the ones that didn't submit data. By 1996 the sample size of stores submitting data had increased to 90%+. As of 1997 it increased to 99%, so therefore the charts became a lot more accurate than ever before.

So, although back in the 90s Wannabe was said to have sold 1,269,000 copies... by 2007 it was decided by the OCC that they should only use the sales data that had been submitted to them by stores at the time, rather than the figures they worked out from their sample size. So 'Wannabe' was reduced to around 1,180,000 as its 90s total instead.

Throughout the years the OCC have been very inconsistent in what sales they based an updated Wannabe total on. Sometimes they went by the "reported sales only" figure, but on other occasions they've gone with the higher "reported sales + estimated sales based on sample size" sales. For instance, in August 2012 a total sales figure of 1,242,521 was given for Wannabe, suggesting they were basing these total sales of the 1,180,000 in the 90s figure - so an increase of 60,000 downloads. Then in December 2014 they stated 1,280,000 - therefore an increase of 100,000 since the downgraded 90s total. On the other hand, they reported 1,340,000 in June 2013, suggesting they were going off of the higher total instead - indicating a 71,000 increase in downloads. Most recently they've stated 1,380,000 in March 2017 - 111,000 increase in downloads.

So in summary it's gone like this:

1,180,000 to 1,242,521 = 60,000 downloads increase (lower 90s figure to August 2012)
1,269,000 to 1,340,000 = 71,000 downloads increase (higher 90s figure to June 2013)
1,180,000 to 1,280,000 = 100,000 downloads increase (lower 90s figure to December 2014)
1,269,000 to 1,380,000 = 111,000 downloads increase (higher 90s figure to March 2017)

Whichever overall total is taken to be correct, I think it seems fair enough to assume it's sold ~110,000+ downloads in the digital era. It'd be very interesting to find out how much data from streaming units would add to their running total! I have no idea what that's likely to be unfortunately, I don't know how many times it's been streamed in the UK from 2014 to now (2014 is when streaming units started to get added). Wouldn't surprise me if it was well over 100,000 additional sales from streaming units though.

Download sales certainly build up in the background. If Wannabe has actually sold 51,000 downloads from August 2012 to March 2017 as the above figures suggest, it'd have sold 215 downloads on average per week, which is feasible. Streaming units will definitely be contributing a lot more than that to Wannabe each week.

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Postby The Spice Girls » 21 Mar 2017, 02:32

/\ omg, you know everything about the charts, how comes you understand it all, was lost halfway reading your post, lol! You really are a chart fanatic, obviously it does it to you;) well done and thanks for your post, Jay!
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Postby Jay » 21 Mar 2017, 02:53

The Spice Girls wrote:/\ omg, you know everything about the charts, how comes you understand it all, was lost halfway reading your post, lol! You really are a chart fanatic, obviously it does it to you;) well done and thanks for your post, Jay!

:D Honestly, all that stuff I wrote about 'Wannabe' I find to be complicated to get my head around, and it's even more difficult to try and write it out and explain it! :x

I just wish that UK sales could be easily accessed by anybody, perhaps in a database that users could subscribe to for a fee. It would be great to just be able to search for how much a single or album has sold. I don't really understand why it has to be so secretive. Instead we have to wait for years, hoping the OCC randomly provides information. For instance, yesterday is actually the first time that a sales figure for 'Too Much' has been revealed by them. The only reason we had a sales total for it (from 2009) is because some member on a forum actually had access to the OCC database (due to their job) and decided to divulge sales (that happened here: http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.ph ... &p=2627219 ), sadly they disappeared after that and no one since has ever provided info like that again.

The Spice Girls wrote:/\ OMG, 16 Little Mix singles?! And I just found out about them with Black Magic (is that even the title?!). Lol.

Yep, they've been going for over 5 years already!

Their UK run of singles, and peaks achieved:

[Dec 2011] #01 - Cannonball
[Aug 2012] #01 - Wings
[Oct 2012] #03 - DNA
[Feb 2013] #12 - Change Your Life
[Apr 2013] #16 - How Ya Doin'?
[Nov 2013] #03 - Move
[Dec 2013] #14 - Little Me
[Mar 2014] #06 - Word Up!
[May 2014] #06 - Salute
[July 2015] #01 - Black Magic
[Sep 2015] #11 - Love Me Like You
[Feb 2016] #06 - Secret Love Song
[Apr 2016] #11 - Hair
[Oct 2016] #01 - Shout Out To My Ex
[Dec 2016] #04 - Touch
[Mar 2017] #39 - No More Sad Songs

Despite only peaking at #39 so far, No More Sad Songs has already amassed a total of 52,000, which really shows how much streaming inflates sales these days! And 'Secret Love Song', with a #6 peak and just 3 weeks inside the Top 10, is #18 in the "Top 20 girl group singles of the last 20 years" with 660,000 sales. A girl group single would have to flop really hard nowadays to sell less than 'Headlines' has. :(
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Postby The Spice Girls » 21 Mar 2017, 03:31

Wow, it looks like you're not only into Spice Girls then! Are you Spice Girls and Little Mix fan or most of the girl bands then?
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Postby Jay » 21 Mar 2017, 03:38

I tend to like most girl groups to be fair! :laugh: I loved All Saints, Sugababes, Girls Aloud, The Saturdays... :D
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Postby The Spice Girls » 21 Mar 2017, 04:02

/\ and Atomic Kitten?! I guess they're my favourite, just after SG and Destiny's Child:)
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Postby Jay » 21 Mar 2017, 04:44

I liked them a lot too! Whole Again, You Are, It's OK, The Tide Is High, Be With You and If You Come To Me are my favourite singles of theirs. Image

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